Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Where are you at on your spiritual journey? How do you feel about your journey so far?
Are you accepting your feelings and where you're at and your meditation, your mind, your thoughts, your life?
Or do you feel like you should be somewhere else, you should be a certain way, and there's a disconnect between what's actually happening, really and honestly, internally, and the idea of where you should be, according to some.
Some idea of what. What the path should look like for you and where you should be at this point.
That's what we're getting into today. Shireen and I have both got a long time on the spiritual path. I've been doing this about 28 years, and she's been doing it for about 30, 31 years. Is it now? Nearly.
Either way, it's a long time.
And we're going to explore this important topic because for us to actually move forward on a spiritual path, we need to first of all know where we are and be all right with where we are. Because if I think I'm a certain, certain place, when in fact I'm not, or if I'm pretending to be something that isn't really happening, then I'm not going to actually know where I am and be able to move forward from there. Because we can only move forward from where we actually are. We can't move forward from somewhere else.
So, Shireen, tell us all about.
All about it. I'm putting you on the spot here. Just before the session, right? Shireen was saying, tell us a story about that person who you. 15 years in the practice, who came to the center.
[00:01:43] Speaker B: So I. This was about 15 years ago, and someone who just started the spiritual path, right? He came to visit the center. He was coming from another city and he was visiting here. And he came to visit the center. And he asked me how you're doing, and I was really honest with how I was doing. I wasn't doing that well, right. I was trying my best, but I wasn't really doing that well. And I'm sure going through some kind of physical ailment, something.
And he was so disappointed and he was so visible in his disappointment. If you who have been 15 years doing this can't get it together, how about people like me, right?
What about me?
[00:02:35] Speaker A: What happened to him afterwards? He just abandoned the ship. So I can't be dealing with this.
[00:02:38] Speaker B: No, no, he's still around. He's still around.
[00:02:40] Speaker A: He's still around. Okay, good.
[00:02:42] Speaker B: He's still around.
At that point, I realized it's good not to be too Honest?
[00:02:52] Speaker A: Yeah, because this is where you're at. This is.
[00:02:54] Speaker B: Right. You have to be honest with the right people.
Right. You don't want to discourage new people. Right.
[00:03:02] Speaker A: Who's to say that that might have saved his, his, his life in some ways because he's still in the game. What if you'd said everything's perfect, perfect, perfect, and then he went through his own challenges and realized that everyone else seems to be perfect except for him and he must not be any good then, right?
[00:03:19] Speaker B: It could be.
Yeah, it could be.
[00:03:24] Speaker A: Yeah. So this is a very important thing because, for example, like this morning I was doing some meditation in the hot tub, which I like to do because it's beautiful views and sun comes up and there's all this light shining on the water.
It's a beautiful experience.
And, and so if I think, all right, I should never have any negative thoughts, I should never have any waste thoughts, my concentration should be 100 the whole time, etc. Etc. If that's the standard that I'm saying for myself, which is my ideal standard, actually, if I say that's the standard and anything below that is just not good enough and I'm going to beat myself up with a big stick, then I'm not going to enjoy the practice. If I can sit there and say I completely accept whatever is going on in my life and in my mind and how I'm feeling, then I can sort of settle into and melt into the practice and get into it from a much more gentle, humble place that leads to very, very deep experiences. Yeah, I'm not starting off from an expectation of where I should be in the beginning.
And that takes a lot of the pressure off, which then allows things to.
To unfold in a more organic, healthier way.
What was your question?
[00:04:53] Speaker B: I feel there should be a mid path, but my question is, let's say you're coming new to spirituality now and you tell yourself, oh, it's okay if I do. Maybe if I don't do this, if I do that, and don't do that, you wouldn't be here. If you didn't have a certain standard when you were beginning your meditation practice, you wouldn't be here.
And so I feel we can't go to two extremes.
The extreme of one, oh, it's okay. Wherever I'm at, whatever I'm doing, you know, I'm watching random YouTube videos on consciousness and think I'm being spiritual.
I really think that's one extreme. And then the other extreme is I'm beating myself up right and so there has to be a mid path, because there is a.
There is a way you can be spiritual.
There has to be a path that really will get you results, not whatever you want to do, whenever you want to do, and then say, oh, it's okay, let me be myself.
[00:06:07] Speaker A: What I'm saying is that we have to have a standard for ourselves, where we want to be, but we also have to acknowledge wherever we are at any given moment, because we can only move towards something where we're at. Whereas a lot of people, and I speak for myself as well, sort of like try and jump to a level or try and pretend that there's something else going on that isn't actually real to try and put on a show or try and pretend something, and therefore they're not actually making the effort that would be useful at that moment to go up a level, you know, like in business, as an example of you can't skip steps. But it's these principles, in my experience, apply across the board. Whether it's business or learning something.
We have to say, all right, here's where I want to be. Here's the standard that I have for my meditation, for my, you know, my mindset, my attitude, my lifestyle, whatever it is, right.
And this is wherever it is where I'm at now. And if I can just. Just be honest, how am I feeling? What's going on? What. Where am I at?
Then I can move forward from there.
Whereas if I'm not even aware what is going on, then, then it's like, we need to know, like, if you're going from one destination to another destination, you need to know where you are in your journey in order to figure out what the next road is. You know, if someone's like, I don't even know where I am, I'm totally lost on the map. How are you going to move forward from there? And I think a lot of people are in that sort of situation not really knowing where they are in the moment, have some vague idea where they're going.
And that's not a very realistic approach to moving ahead.
[00:08:04] Speaker B: Are you saying that not only we need to know where we are at, but also have a very clear idea of where we are going?
[00:08:14] Speaker A: That's right. We need to know what our. Where we're going, what our standards are, where. Where the. What the end result looks like and where am I at now?
[00:08:23] Speaker B: You know, and if I'm not at that level, then be compassionate with yourself.
[00:08:29] Speaker A: Yeah, be where we are, you know, rather than. Because there's no point beating ourselves up about it. That's not going to help getting to the level. That doesn't make any, any positive improvement.
So like for example, let's say, let's say I'm doing some meditation and there's all these things going on in my life and I've got all these projects, right? And I sit down and I think, well, ideally I'd like to just go really deep in my medit straight away for an hour, right? That's what I would like to do. But I'd be more realistic for me to say, well, right at this particular moment, that's not probably going to happen. So let me do a whole bunch of one minute drills, one minute practices for like 10 minutes and, and I might start with a bit of breathing and I might maybe write down all my thoughts and stuff like that. Then I can go deeper in my practice. That's much more realistic and much more honest approach rather than saying I'm just going here and do all this stuff right away and then I can't do it.
And I think a lot of people, because of having this idea of what they should be doing, they don't do the thing that would actually make their life better today, that would lead them forward.
[00:09:39] Speaker B: So what, why do you think that is? Like, what is that? You know, like in our last podcast we were talking about perfectionism, right?
So why do you think, what is this? Like, that we are not taking stock properly of where we are.
[00:09:55] Speaker A: Yeah, I think a lot of the time we live in such a crazy world and there's so many things happening and we don't spend enough time with ourselves and because of all the perfectionism and standards in our head and all these different opinions, it's all sort of swirling around and it takes, it takes a lot of honesty just to stop and say, okay, where am I actually at right now? Like, what is really going on with me?
How am I feeling?
What's my meditation like, really and truly?
You know, just have a really good look at where like, just like if you're driving and driving, driving and driving and then you stop and you say, okay, where am I now? You know, because life is this journey and all right, here I am, this is what's going on now. What's going to be the next best step from here?
And like, for example, like, I teach meditation. You teach meditation, right. I just did a meditation class before doing this podcast.
And some people show up for the event, some people don't. And I think a lot of the reason people don't show up is because they think, well, I'm not in a position honestly to do an hour long meditation or I can't handle it or because whatever, whatever. And they just don't do anything, right? So their standard is up here. They realize that they're sort of somewhere in, not quite there yet. I'm not good enough. I can't do it, can't do it. Then they just don't do anything, don't do anything at all.
I'll do it later, I'll do it later.
Whereas if we say, okay, well, where am I at right now?
How am I feeling and what is the thing that I could do that would be upgrade what from here to the next level, then it's very compassionate and very manageable.
Like, I just before this session we did a practice meditation. So I'm teaching people how to teach meditation. And I said, all right, you do the guided meditation now and I'll listen, you know, as a group. We'll listen together. So the first time it was a bit awkward, really fast and, you know, wasn't the highest level meditation commentary, but I round applause they. Because they did the best they could, right? And then I had them do it again and again and again. And by the end of the class, they had learned a lot and were now feeling much more confident in their practice and also being able to deliver it.
But if someone thinks I should be really good at this thing straight away, then they are totally paranoid to do anything at all.
And then that becomes a, a sort of a crippling attitude towards life. And I think that's why a lot of people stay stuck in their spiritual path. For that reason, you, you spend hours sitting in silence, so you're more aware of what's going on with you. But I think a lot of people don't really know where they're at because so much.
[00:13:02] Speaker B: It's not just what you're telling me, Michael, is not just not where they are at, but they have a lot of misconception of where they need to be and how long it takes to get there and how much work it does, or if I can't do it, let me not do it.
There's a lot of moral licensing also going on. Moral licensing is, oh, I did it for five days, now I can take a break for two days, and then two days turns into six months and three years later, you still haven't meditated.
[00:13:36] Speaker A: And the spiritual ego, the spiritual ego could say, I am so spiritual because I know about all these things in my head. You know, we hear from our. From spiritual teaching things like, everyone thinks they're so great because they did a great class, but none of you are really having any spiritual remembrance or any real.
I mean, we heard stuff like this, you know, and it's like, so just the spiritual ego can. Can totally throw things off as well, right?
[00:14:05] Speaker B: Not only that I did a great class nowadays is I just heard a great podcast. So I'm spiritual.
[00:14:13] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm so spiritual. I. I read this book right, from this special person, and in that book, some special thing, and now I'm. Everything's good to go. And it's like, all right, that's so. So being so just the point I'm trying to make here is it's very important for us on our spiritual journey to stop and ask ourselves, really, honestly, where am I at right at this moment in my thinking, my practices, my feeling about life? Like, honestly, where am I at? And then where am I going?
And what are the. What's the next small thing I can do to move forward from here?
[00:14:53] Speaker B: I can ask you that question. How about you, brother Michael? Where are you at? How are you?
[00:14:58] Speaker A: Where am I? How am I? How am I doing?
It's a good question.
[00:15:03] Speaker B: No, I have to ask you this question because I don't get to talk to you other than this.
[00:15:07] Speaker A: That's not how are you sure, is it? Yeah, Yeah. I feel great. I feel great. I feel very liberated. I feel like.
I feel that I have been unconsciously trapped in a perfectionism. That's why I've been talking about this perfectionism prison without realizing it was there that has been suppressing my joy and my sense of freedom and sanity.
And I feel most of the way out of it, although I'm sure the monsters will come and. And come after me.
And because I'm. I'm willing to be radically honest with myself, I feel I can have a much easier path forward towards higher and higher states. So instead of thinking, like, I should have remembrance of God for five hours straight right now, I'm like, well, let me just have remembrance right now, just for a few seconds, because I'm just here in this moment. And then all of a sudden, it becomes easy. Because I'm not saying it should be like this.
Like, I'm just like, let me do one thing right now so I can go from. From 0 to 1. I can go from where I am to a slight upgrade, and that then I can hold on to that and then go to the next thing, and the next thing, the next thing Rather than having these big jumps that from. I can't go from here to here straight away, but I can go from here to here. And just doing that, it feels very liberating actually. And it feels like actually a faster path to higher and higher experiences.
So that's where I'm at.
Somewhat cryptic perhaps, but these are.
[00:17:00] Speaker B: It's definitely very cryptic, but it's very. Michael answer.
[00:17:06] Speaker A: It is what it is. So where are you at these days, really?
[00:17:11] Speaker B: Honestly, I have this very strong urge to go into digital isolation where I just scrub myself off and just, just focus on meditation.
I know I'm not going to do that.
You're like, what?
I'm not going to do that because I have a contract with God to do service.
But there is always this urge these days just to be very quiet, be very silent and just, you know, of course, do service, meet people and all of that, but not get too involved. Not get too involved in the digital space, not get too involved in all these things.
That's where I'm at.
I feel very detached, actually.
I feel I'm watching my life as a detached observer. And because I'm watching my life as a detached observer, I feel very detached from outcomes.
[00:18:24] Speaker A: That's great.
What a nice place to be. And I'm sure we've, I mean, I, I.
My great joy in life ultimately would be to be of service and be completely anonymous as well, actually. But it doesn't seem that's possible.
I mean, if it is possible, someone should tell me about it and I'll scrub everything off and start again. But, but as far as I know, it's, I mean, I've tried. It doesn't work.
It's an interesting place. I think I've been trying to do that for years and years and years and years and come to the realizing realization recently it's not ever going to happen. So I'm just embracing being of service imperfectly because at least I'm doing something from my heart.
But I would rather not be online at all. I mean, my dream, honestly, which I have not managed, is to never be on the Internet at all and have everything that. That's what I want. But it's, it's probably never going to happen. I don't know. And if it does, it'll probably happen when I've finally given up on the idea how it works. Oh, I'm not. Oh, just. I don't care anymore. I'm fine either way. And then all of a sudden it's like, oh, is there it.
[00:19:39] Speaker B: It is Right, right.
[00:19:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:46] Speaker B: But also it's a good place to be, to be detached from outcomes.
Right. In last podcast I was mentioning, I recently published a book, Experiencing God.
And I really feel so detached from the outcome of it.
Outcome of anything, really.
You know, people coming to the center, what this is, I feel I have to be of service, but I feel very like I have to be loving, but also very, very detached.
And the service part really is because of my contract with God. If I didn't have that contract with God, I wouldn't do it.
[00:20:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I feel the same way. I mean, we would all in. In some ways rather just get on with our lives and remain incognito, you know, and at the same time, there is that bigger awareness that. That we need to help others and that we have things that we could share that would change people's lives. And if we don't do it, then we feel something's not quite right. Because there's. It's the reluctant hero archetype, isn't it?
Where the hero is forced on the adventure from the mentor, from a higher power and doesn't want to do it really, but has to do it anyway.
So here we are, imperfect, doing the best we can.
Ah, yes. So this is something for everyone to think about. What do you want to achieve in your, like, in terms of your spiritual path or anything else in your life? Where do you want to be? What is your highest expression of your self?
What is the future that is calling you?
And where are you at now, really and truly?
Not where do you think you should be at?
Because that's. That's the issue. I should be like this. I should be like that. All of these shootings don't do us any good. Where are you actually at?
Which is totally fine. It might be beyond what you think you're. You're at or whatever it is, but where are you right now?
And no, what's the next step up from there?
[00:22:17] Speaker B: I was thinking when you asked this question, where you're at, right? To be able to really answer that honestly and on answer that authentically, you have to learn to go inside and you have to learn to ask the question, do you really want whatever it is you're going after? Also because a lot of the time we go after things because of comparison, social conditioning, all of these things, right?
And so let's say I'm asking my. I'm doing an inventory and I'm saying I want to be there, but I'm here, right?
But even there, is that really what you Want or did, did you get conditioned into thinking that's what you want and are you doing out of comparison?
Right, because someone else wants it, you want it.
I mean like what does it, why do you feel that you want to be there?
That's something you have to be honest with yourself.
And before we do all of those things, there has to be this feeling that you sit quietly and go inside and it's okay to go inside and give yourself permission to go inside and there's not going to be anything horrible. There's, you know, because people are very scared of going inside and so that you're a beautiful soul and you know, you're really a beautiful soul and everything will be fine. Just go inside and just sit quietly and find, find yourself and be with yourself and be nice to yourself.
Once you go inside, be very nice to yourself.
[00:24:04] Speaker A: That's what it means to, to say, where am I at? You know, and be really radically honest about it. And, and that includes, like you said, what do you want? Why do you want what you want? Is it still really what you want now?
Because sometimes we are pursuing dreams that we had from a different state of mind that we don't, then I. Aren't really our own dreams.
You like. I talk to many of my students about their visions and goals and I have to ask them, when did you have this idea in the first place? Is it, is it one of your five year old childhood dreams that you're still pursuing?
Because when we're children we have different thoughts about what we think we should have. You know, some people, I want to be a fireman when I'm older it's like, do you, do you really want to be a fireman?
Oh, but I want to be a part. So like, but where are we at now? And from all the knowledge and experience that we've got now, where do we want to go like that? There should be some upgrade or some, you know, refinement surely after all this time.
So even the idea of what we want is, is going to change, you know.
And, and with spirituality we're told about the end result. So like in, in this Raja meditation, the end result is the Karma teeth stage of 16 celestial degrees, completely non vice, non violent, full of all virtues and powers.
[00:25:45] Speaker B: That's what it said. It says in Hindi.
[00:25:47] Speaker A: Exactly. So there you go. Well, what does that look like? You know, what, what is that? That's quite the stage, you know, that's the thing. All right, well if that's what do I really want that and if I Do. Where am I at now? And what would be a.
The upgrade. Little upgrade. Because if I think, well, I'm already this and that and this and that anyway, then why would I make any effort?
[00:26:08] Speaker B: What's your next upgrade?
[00:26:12] Speaker A: My next upgrade is to be fearlessly honest with myself and just keep moving forward from. From my heart, because I know that's going to get me where I want to go quicker with more joy than either being in a deluded state of where I think I'm actually at, or criticizing myself towards it, you know, because criticizing myself towards it's not going to work. And being in spiritual ego is not going to work either.
[00:26:49] Speaker B: And if you were to pick one virtue right now that you would want to upgrade to that virtue, what would it be?
A small upgrade.
[00:27:02] Speaker A: Courage, I think, is courage. Courage to take imperfect action consistently. Courage and consistency.
Courage, honesty and consistency. So it sounds a bit like what, Daddy Jenkins. So you need these three things, you know, you need this.
[00:27:21] Speaker B: You're being honest. That's good.
[00:27:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
So she.
I remember when I used to hear people say stuff like this, you need, you know, peace, purity and power. And I'm like, what does that even mean? But actually, honesty about where. What's going on.
Courage.
Courage to take the next step and consistency to do it can, you know, again and again and again, because that's the only way it's actually going to lead to the outcome. You know, starting and stopping. Starting and stopping doesn't really work very well.
And. And, yeah, imperfect, imperfect action. Not intentionally imperfect, but just being honest that it will be imperfect action.
Doing. Doing the best I can now is not going to be the best I could be in. In a year's time, you know, but it's best I can do today and. And to enjoy. Enjoy the process of being alive rather than thinking, oh, only after this, this, and this happens, am I finally going to enjoy things. No. No. This is great.
[00:28:38] Speaker B: That is such an illusion, isn't it?
Yeah, that is such an illusion, isn't it? To postpone, keep postponing, thinking, oh, I'll be happy when I'll be happy.
[00:28:48] Speaker A: I'm gonna just push through and then finally everything will be right. That's a. That's not being honest. It's a total delusion, isn't it? When has it ever worked out that way?
[00:28:59] Speaker B: There's always a project. There's always something else that needs to happen.
[00:29:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah. Instead of thinking, I'm pushing forward towards this other thing later to. To kind of wake up and realize this is the thing Right here.
The I've. This is. Having already attained. Here it is, you know, and this is just about. I've arrived where I'm at, and I'm.
[00:29:32] Speaker B: Enjoying it because a lot of the time we are living in blessings, right? We are living in blessings we wanted 10 years ago.
[00:29:40] Speaker A: Yeah. I remember thinking at one point, I didn't even have my own house. You know, I was staying with, like, places with other people and didn't have my own space, and I wasn't doing what I wanted. And all these things. And the idea of having a space to myself that was beautiful, that had everything I needed and have the time to do what I want, and all the rest of it was some great idea. Now I've had it for years.
And some part of the ego is like, well, what's the next thing after that? Or wouldn't it be better if I was traveling all the time? And what if this and this and this and this? But I went, no, this is great.
You know, this is great.
[00:30:15] Speaker B: You were talking about courage.
What is the smallest step you can take for courage?
[00:30:23] Speaker A: Which depends what you're doing, doesn't it?
[00:30:26] Speaker B: No, for yourself, Angel.
[00:30:29] Speaker A: For me. Well, it depends again, you know, there's different areas of my life. Spirituality, there's business, there's people.
[00:30:36] Speaker B: Okay, let's talk about spirituality. Let's talk about business, and then we'll talk about people.
You know what, Brother Michael? You do not. Do not. You know why I'm putting you on the spot? Because you don't like talking about yourself.
I say so many things about myself, and then you're like, oh, this random thing.
Okay, all right, tell me.
[00:30:57] Speaker A: What's the courage.
[00:31:00] Speaker B: Spiritually? What's the next small step?
[00:31:03] Speaker A: I'm not sure, actually. I've got a lot of different ideas.
[00:31:06] Speaker B: But pick one that's come to you in your mind. What's the top, top, most on your mind.
[00:31:16] Speaker A: Topmost, is to be aware of the drama that I'm a guest, that I'm. That I'm playing a part in this great game of life. To not. To not see this whole thing is too so serious to be the soul witnessing it, but to actually enjoy playing a part. This is such a deep, deep, deep, deep thing to go from.
Life is so important. Oh, my God. I have to do all these things, otherwise bad things will happen.
[00:31:54] Speaker B: I'm Michael, and anything that happens to Michael or, well, me. Yeah.
[00:31:59] Speaker A: Whoa, me. And. Oh, I need this, and I want this. No, no. Just like, I'm different from this whole thing, and I have this wonderful opportunity to experience being alive as a spiritual being. Temporarily. I couldn't. So I've been thinking about death a lot actually. That's my main practice.
Imagine being. Going beyond the body. Imagine dying and then coming back. So that. That's kind of the main.
The. The death practice. Going beyond and coming back leads to the feeling of being here with lightness and joy.
So that's my main practice. Being bodyless and being dead. Which. It's weird. Like when you say it out loud, I can sort of hear people going, he's talking about being dead. He's talking about thinking about death. That. Doesn't that sound a little bit gruesome? You know, but it's not like that. It's about coming out of it.
To be able to come back with sanity really and see it for what it is. Because I feel like I haven't practiced it enough. Going beyond like being. Actually imagining death and coming back in.
And because I haven't practiced it deep enough.
My attitude towards life is still based on the wrong ideas. That somehow this is infinite thing that just goes on and on, on when actually it's not like that. This is. This is very short and it's fun.
It is. It's for its own sake. It's not for the future. It's for its own sake.
[00:33:32] Speaker B: How about business?
[00:33:34] Speaker A: Business? I need to do marketing for a year.
I'm committing to hardcore Mark. No, not hardcore marketing. I'm committed to compassionate communication for a year and I'm holding myself accountable. And T.R. and I had a chat this morning. I'm not to eat any chocolate until I send out two emails every day.
So if I don't send out two emails, there's no chocolate for me.
Which is already concerning. Yeah. And I couldn't. I. Today I haven't had any chocolate because the person who sets up my emails has had having a day off. So I'm no. Not deprived of my chocolate till tomorrow.
[00:34:15] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:34:17] Speaker A: Such is life.
[00:34:17] Speaker B: And how about relationships?
[00:34:21] Speaker A: Relationships, you know, to really appreciate people more and more and more because we don't know how long we got.
And relationships is what makes life worth living in many ways really, isn't it? Everything else is inanimate objects really, isn't it? All the other stuff.
Whereas relationships are real.
So.
And to come from a. Make sure I'm coming from a pure giving place in my relationships.
[00:35:06] Speaker B: You're very sweet and loving, brother.
[00:35:09] Speaker A: Well, I try my best.
[00:35:12] Speaker B: So you're. Yeah, you're there.
[00:35:15] Speaker A: That's where I'm at.
That's what it is. Yay.
[00:35:19] Speaker B: That's great.
Thank you for sharing.
[00:35:22] Speaker A: Thank you. What about yourself?
[00:35:24] Speaker B: I already shared so much. Like what? I mean, ask me specific questions.
[00:35:32] Speaker A: Is there any special things you're going to do differently now based on where you're at compared to before?
[00:35:42] Speaker B: More remembrance.
And the.
The urge these days is to be bodiless all the time.
To really see myself as a soul and to be in that state of soul consciousness.
So that's.
I could improve that. I really could improve that.
If I can do that, let's say, for eight hours a day, that would be good. While I'm doing everything, while I'm talking, I'm bodiless. While I'm eating, I'm bodiless while I'm looking at people.
[00:36:18] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the magic power right there, isn't it?
[00:36:23] Speaker B: And the relationships also. And in relationships, like to really give love and give love and blessings and not have expectations, even if I feel I'm having expectations for their own good. Right. To be in a state where I'm not getting affected by what's going on, that I can just give love and blessings.
[00:36:52] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a big, big one.
Especially if we. If we need anything from people. It's harder to do that, isn't it? If we don't need anything.
[00:37:02] Speaker B: Even if you feel. You don't need anything, if you feel like you wanted. You want to say something for their own benefit, you know, like when you're taking care of the center, you feel, oh, someone could benefit if you said this.
And most often than not, people get very offended these days.
And so to.
To really be able to give blessings and stay out of. Stay my mind. Stay out of that. Right. I want my mind to stay out of that. To really give blessings and to really have love from a very deep, deep space.
And the last one, I would say is with God, you know, how to really.
To really experience God as my beloved and not have anyone else between me and God, just to be able to connect and be there in that connection.
[00:37:57] Speaker A: And the secret is being bodiless or being dead.
I. I like the concept of being dead because it's like, it helps me become spiritually aware on a.
On a.
On a level that is absolute. I think that's what. That's what I like about it because if.
If I leave the body, there's like a. A wall and I can't get back in again. So everything that I was previously worried about is all canceled.
[00:38:35] Speaker B: Wouldn't that be nice?
[00:38:37] Speaker A: There's an emotional Detachment that is forced upon us through death.
Freedom. It's a total freedom, actually. And so that. That kind of absolute experience, that. That absolute experience is very liberating to come back into this experience of life with that absolute sense of freedom, because then I can really feel, okay, this is all a game now.
And also I can connect with God when I'm in that much, much, much more powerfully and then come back and it's like, okay, here we are.
Yay.
Whereas when I was just trying to be bodiless while I was here, I was still stuck in all this stuff emotionally, and I was sort of like, whereas when I'm not here and then I come back, it feels kind of like a clean break, which feels a bit easier to deal with.
[00:39:25] Speaker B: It's easier, actually, if you die.
Life is a lot to get even from the body. Right. If I'm in the body and trying to detach from the body is much harder, then if I'm passed on from the body and detached from the body is a lot easier.
[00:39:43] Speaker A: Much easier. Yeah. But then back again. Yeah. All right.
[00:39:48] Speaker B: Out of the three, like, courage. I want to read courage, because you were talking about courage.
[00:39:55] Speaker A: Yes. And hopefully everyone listening to this, it wasn't too cryptic this episode. I realized we went round, round a little bit. But in essence, where are you at and what you need to do next? That's the main thing.
Where do you want to be, really and truly?
All right, you can leave us, Leave us a comment. Where are you at? What's going on? Do you need any help?
And we'll talk to you after, after this in the next episode. In the meantime, Shereen, let's have your blessing.
[00:40:26] Speaker B: This is God's blessing for you.
Courage.
Your courage radiates from a profound understanding of your mission.
You know, with conviction that you are the one to make this call to action.
You embrace the divine within, knowing it is not separate, but the core of who you are.
[00:40:55] Speaker A: Yay.
Very deep.
Ah, yes. So wishing everyone success in everything you're doing.
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Lots of love.
Thank you, Shireen.
