Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Do you feel like you're spending too much time on your phone or on the Internet instead of doing something else? I'm just going to check this one real, real quick. This one little thing. And then an hour goes by, two hours go by. You know, what is going on here? Picking up the phone.
If you feel a little bit stressed out, just reach for the phone and check something.
Well, if you do, welcome to the club. The massive club of billions of souls who are all highly addicted to all this technology. It's been designed to be addictive. There have great companies with billions and billions of dollars getting us all addicted.
And we're going to talk about that today and what to do about it. So welcome, welcome, welcome.
Hello, Shereen. Yeah.
Hooray. Cell phone addiction, Internet addiction. What a great topic. It's one of our pet topics.
If anyone honestly thinks they're not a cell phone addict, then all right, fair enough. Will take your word for it, but you're definitely in the minority.
[00:01:03] Speaker B: No, no, actually, before you tell us, right, it doesn't matter.
If you feel you're not a cell phone addict, that's fine, But I want each of you to do something right now. Take your phone and see your screen time, usage in the last week, right?
How much of it was recreational use by talking to people or, you know, like some background apps are running. That's not the thing, but recreational use. Like, how much of the time did you put it in? Put in social media?
[00:01:43] Speaker A: Yeah. Check it out. Screen time, it's all there. They tried to avoid having the option to check this for quite some time, but I think people forced them into it. So now you can see I actually have it on my screen. So this is one of the things that it shows up right on the first page. You can actually set it.
And this is.
This is an issue that I personally was aware of back in 2003 when I had a Nokia basic Nokia phone.
And even then with just text messages and phone calls, I thought, this is a problem because I remember going for a walk around this lake one time.
This is 2003, right? Just got a cell phone and I'm getting all these text messages from various people. And. And I'm like, I can't focus on being here, walking around this lake because part of my head is in this phone. Why hasn't this person got back to me yet? What's going on with this? What's going so. So, like, I'm out here having a walk, but I'm not actually enjoying it because I got this Thing in my hand, and I saw myself just grab the phone and just throw it into the lake. It happened. It happened, like, impulsively. I was just like.
And I saw it and then blop.
And off it went to the fish at the bottom of the lake.
It's probably not very environmentally friendly.
[00:03:14] Speaker B: What a waste of now. And also what a waste of money.
[00:03:17] Speaker A: I felt very good about it, though, to be perfectly honest. I felt profound, profound relief afterwards.
And.
Because this stuff is a major trap. Right. And of course, I had to get another phone afterwards.
[00:03:30] Speaker B: Yeah, just don't buy it or sell it or give it to someone.
[00:03:34] Speaker A: No, it was all. It was impulsive, but I felt much better afterwards. And then in 2000, probably 2011, I had a iPhone and someone was like, can you take pictures of the ocean? Because I want to see, you know, and send pictures.
So I was like. I went. I normally didn't bring my phone out with me, so I went out and took pictures, pictures, pictures. And then this massive wave came, Just huge wave came and just grabbed the phone and it was gone. And I remember feeling profound relief then as well, to be perfectly honest. You know, that was. I didn't. That I didn't throw that in the ocean. That was just unexpected.
But every time it's been released, I've always felt this deep, deep peace actually come over me.
[00:04:16] Speaker B: Yeah. There are more practical ways of doing this, but first, let's get into the stats.
[00:04:24] Speaker A: Yeah. How many people have thrown their phone in the lake? What's the stat on that?
[00:04:31] Speaker B: I know, right?
[00:04:32] Speaker A: Big number.
[00:04:33] Speaker B: Maybe not that many are as foolish as that, but you never know.
Just don't buy the phone. Don't waste a thousand dollars buying a phone and throwing it in the ocean. Right. How about that?
[00:04:45] Speaker A: There's a.
[00:04:46] Speaker B: It's like a radical idea.
[00:04:49] Speaker A: No, that is an interesting idea. So what are the stats then?
[00:04:54] Speaker B: Okay, so on an average, an average adult right now is spending 6 hours, 45 minutes of recreational use on the phone every day.
This is not for work. This is recreational use.
[00:05:13] Speaker A: How long? Six hours.
[00:05:15] Speaker B: Six hours.
[00:05:16] Speaker A: Nearly seven hours a day of recreational use.
Average. This is an average adult. These aren't. These aren't like the teenagers.
[00:05:25] Speaker B: No, the teenagers is nine hours. No, Zen gen Z's are nine hours. Then younger is even more. Right. Recreational use.
And apparently there's a recommended, and the recommended is two hours.
So we are spending way over two hours.
But it's not coming. Like, it's not just free recreational use. Right. That's what we think. Oh, it's just free entertainment. It's not free entertainment because nothing about you scrolling is free actually, because you're paying so much with just everything in your life. Do you know what the attention span of a goldfish is? Nine seconds.
You know the attention span of a person who has six hours of recreational use per day?
Their attention span is 8.25.
So our attention span is less than goldfish because of the phone.
So how are we meditating? How are we being in silence? How are we really just being with ourselves? Nothing is happening, right? Because we have such low attention spans.
So, you know, this whole 6 hours, 45 minutes, I was adding up the math, right? That's 25 years.
If you live 75 years, 1/3 of your life is completely on recreational use. That just makes you feel empty afterwards.
[00:07:05] Speaker A: It's definitely some.
Some good TV shows around. But isn't it, Is it worth it though? That's the question. You know, it's.
It's like this is the classic example of short term pleasure with versus long term happiness.
You know, this is a real issue.
Six hours. Six hours. I'm actually quite surprised about that. That's a pretty serious.
That's per day.
[00:07:34] Speaker B: Per day.
[00:07:36] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:07:37] Speaker B: On an average, oh. 49 of the adults surveyed felt that they were addicted to their phones. So maybe a higher people, higher percentages addicted to their phones. And they're not admitting this is a serious problem. That's why we need to keep talking about it. But no, here's the thing. You think it's free entertainment, right? Scrolling. No big deal. It's coming. Free phone is here.
It's not. Because before people used to use the word brain rot as a metaphor. Right now brain rot is actually a term doctors are using for heavy smartphone users when they do MRI scans of the brain. The brain rots.
The brain. There's a rot in the brain. The gray matter is reduced. You know, the prefrontal cortex gray matter is reduced.
And the part of your brain that actually has, you know, the part of you, the soul and the brain, because the brain is a reflection of you. The soul that can say no is shrinking.
Right? So you're basically actually. We are becoming zombies.
[00:08:55] Speaker A: Yes. A serious, serious issue. It's.
[00:09:00] Speaker B: It's a very serious issue. And so we all need, right? No one can force us. We are all adults. No one can force us not to use the phone.
But can you afford to keep using it like this?
You know what I've discovered the, you know we talk about the vices, right? Like anger and lust and greed. And ego and attachment.
And what I've discovered is that every vice is monetized, every weakness is.
You know, for every weakness, there's a billion dollar algorithm behind the weakness.
So people think, oh, I go on YouTube and I look at educational.
Nothing like that.
Yeah, five minutes of educational. And then actually, let's do a thing right now.
Last yesterday, all the time you spent on your phone, scrolling, looking at videos, whatever, right? How much of it do you remember? How many posts do you remember?
How many actually, how many of them actually made an impact on your life today?
This was yesterday. Yeah.
[00:10:17] Speaker A: Surely everyone would be having the best life ever by now because of all the content about all this, Right?
[00:10:25] Speaker B: Exactly right. This is educational content that they're getting
[00:10:28] Speaker A: in the last year, okay, Actually happened know, it's, it's collecting information. We did a podcast on this Check and change, right? You might get good information even on this podcast. You know, same thing, like there's great information all over the place, but if we're not changing, then it's not doing us much good. And if we're spending such a large amount of time looking at stuff, it messes with our brain. We haven't got the capacity to change.
[00:11:00] Speaker B: It's actually messing with the brain. This is the reason research. It's messing with the brain. And you cannot change, right? Impulse control.
Two hours of scrolling later, your impulse control goes way down.
And guess what happens? The first advertisement that comes, you want to buy it, right? So what actually happens is all of our weaknesses, all of our cravings, desires, right? Each one of them has a billion dollar algorithm behind it.
Like the best psychologists, the best technologists, they're the best in the world, sitting and designing these products so you can get hooked.
And the way they make money is your attention. It's called attention economics. Attention is making them money. Because the more attention, the more advertisers, the more you'll click because you don't have impulse control anymore.
So every weakness has a billion dollar algorithm behind it, right? So, and what they found is that outrage, right, outrage really makes you click and scroll more.
So that is why people like, you know, famous people who died recently and stuff, why, how did they make that much money is because they were in the outrage machine. It's a machine that is exploiting you.
Like the whole system is exploiting people.
[00:12:38] Speaker A: Don't think about that. Most people just don't know about these things, really. Like on, especially on faces like Facebook or where there's political arguments happening.
It looks like on the outside, people are Having some sort of a discussion, even if it's a bit toxic, but really they're just playing. The big companies are just making bank on, on algorithms that are designed to show people exactly what they don't like so that they constantly go back and forth back, because if they didn't do that, people would say, oh, this is boring, and they'd leave.
[00:13:19] Speaker B: Exactly. I want to tell you something I haven't done news. All those apps are out, right? Every social media, every news app, everything is out of my phone.
But a few months ago, I don't know what's going on right now. A few months ago, when the Epstein files came out, right, Epstein emails came out, you know what I discovered the one thing out of the whole thing at the top level, everyone are friends.
They are friends.
They're making you stupid and making you fight, but they are friends because you fighting is making them money.
[00:13:59] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. It's divide and rule. And, and even I think, a lot of the political stuff on a higher level, they're all in the same bed with each other as well, even though it looks like they're not in some cases. This, like, there's, there's top level stuff and divide and rule is what the British did in India. They divided the Muslims and the Hindus and they had them, you know, fighting against each other and will kind of like take care of it so that they're not realizing that they've had the country stolen from them. You know, I mean, obviously people realize this, but like, divide and rule is a very effective strategy that has been implemented and deployed very effectively on social media channels and on the news.
This is. Most people don't realize this. They think, oh, no, no, no, I'm, I'm, I'm passionate about this cause and I really want to make a difference. But it's all scam, really.
[00:14:51] Speaker B: But that outrage, right, that outrage is costing you. You have to look at the cost to yourself. Is it enough for your gray matter to go down that you actually don't know how to say no? Is that okay?
Right? That's a question you have to ask yourself.
And my thing is, my really is pride is you're trying to manipulate me. This much. No can do. Not doing it. I'm not getting manipulated.
The fact after I realized how much you're trying to manipulate me, I've realized, no, I'm not giving into this.
[00:15:31] Speaker A: And they're very good, they're very good at it. It's very custom, isn't it, that that's the thing with algorithms. Is this. They'll figure out exactly what the weaknesses it could be the most. Like, it could be anything.
[00:15:44] Speaker B: I want to tell you something about algorithms.
[00:15:46] Speaker A: I think this is great because I've been on about this, right, for like, 10 years, before anyone paid any attention. And now Shireen's like, I'm going to tell you about all these things, which I think is great, because this goes to show how bad a problem this is.
That something that everyone just brushed off as if it wasn't Angel, I do
[00:16:07] Speaker B: want to tell you I was totally off, and you told me to get on some things, right? You were the one who brought me into this, into looking at the YouTube and stuff. Because before, I was totally off all of them. Anyway, I'm not going to blame you for what I made a choice, decided
[00:16:24] Speaker A: to watch YouTube yourself.
[00:16:26] Speaker B: But here's the thing.
[00:16:27] Speaker A: But, yeah, no, it's. Once they get you. Once they get you, but here's the thing, then.
Then they figure it out, and then you're done, basically. It's very hard to get off of it.
[00:16:36] Speaker B: Now, I want to tell you something.
I want to tell you something about the algorithm.
So psychologists have figured out what makes the slot machine so addictive, right?
So they try to research, is it pulling the lever that makes it so addictive, or is it receiving the money, getting money that makes it so addictive? You know what they found out? None of those things are addictive. Know what the. Where the dopamine hit is in a slot machine?
The uncertainty of knowing whether you'll get it or not get it.
That's.
[00:17:19] Speaker A: Yeah, I could get unpredictable. It might be good. I don't know what I'm gonna get.
[00:17:24] Speaker B: The unpredictable uncertainty of slee.
[00:17:27] Speaker A: Playing a game.
[00:17:27] Speaker B: Exactly. So they use this.
[00:17:29] Speaker A: What's behind the. What's behind the curve? It could be a different thing. It could be good, could be bad. I don't know.
[00:17:37] Speaker B: So they use the same thing in social media, right?
So it's not getting a like that's giving you a dopamine hit. The uncertainty of whether you'll get a like or not get a like is giving you a dopamine hit.
And also, when the. How is the algorithm designed? Right? Let's say you're in shorts, YouTube shorts, or TikTok. TikTok videos, right?
They know exactly. They know you. Your desires, your weaknesses, everything. They know you because there's a whole billion dollars behind it, right? They have your profile.
They have your profile.
But why is it that they give you some content that you.
If they know you so well, they should give you 100% of content you like.
But guess what?
If they give you 100% of content you like, you will stop scrolling because there's no dopamine hit there. The dopamine hit comes because you next scroll, you don't know if it's content you like or you don't like.
So they just put enough of content in there that you don't like so that you will keep scrolling.
It's called the variable reward scheduling.
That's the way they do that.
[00:19:02] Speaker A: And they test it again and again and again. So they're always refining it and they probably have hundreds of versions of the algorithm based on like it could be that one person, they need a little bit more bad stuff that they don't like in order to stay longer.
Whereas somebody else, they need only a little bit of the bad stuff to keep them scrolling. And if it's too much bad stuff and they cut off.
So then they're not, they don't have like one version of this. They have thousands of different ways of, of adding the numbers up especially, especially for each person.
And they also know it's very customized.
[00:19:37] Speaker B: But you'll never get content you like on purpose.
[00:19:40] Speaker A: And also they're not going to show you the content that's good for you either, because that's not the point. The point is get you to look at the thing for as long as they possibly can.
[00:19:50] Speaker B: Yes.
And guess what? The price you're paying, your gray matter is reducing and you have the attention span of a goldfish. That's the price.
[00:20:00] Speaker A: It's pretty high price.
[00:20:02] Speaker B: And, and let's not forget about what we are not doing.
If I'm spending 6 hours, 45 minutes recreational use and I have to go to a job, what am I not doing in my life?
How is there any space for self improvement for, you know, meditation, for silence, for high things in life? What is, where is it?
It's just the kingdom of dissatisfaction is going on because that's where they want you dissatisfied with life.
[00:20:32] Speaker A: Then they can sell you more stuff free.
It's.
[00:20:36] Speaker B: They can sell you.
[00:20:37] Speaker A: It works out better that way because if you feel happy and relaxed, then you won't scroll. But if you are scrolling, it's going to mess up your brain and then you become incapable of thinking properly because it's a trance state of dissatisfaction which leads to buying the products that are sponsored, which is how they get paid.
And then it just goes on and on and on and on. I remember last year because I was thinking of doing Instagram videos. Personally, I started looking on Instagram just because. Because I was thinking, well, if I'm going to use Instagram as a means of doing stuff, then I need to see what this platform is. So I was looking at other people and this and that. And I personally started feeling really bad about myself buying a bunch of random courses about Instagram because.
Because that's what happens to people, you know, and it's. Jeremy. Even though I knew what was going on, it happened anyway that, that's how like self knowledge, just, just to be clear, knowing about this doesn't necessarily mean anything actually, because there's loads. Because I've actually read books, right? People who've spent like two, three years studying this stuff themselves, and they say, quite frankly, they're just as bad as everyone else. At the end of the book I'm like, so self knowledge isn't actually enough to do anything about this?
[00:22:04] Speaker B: Okay, so here's the thing that is really interesting, right?
When we like, like the ancient enemies of the soul, right? We talk about the enemies of the soul, like lust and anger and all of that.
And so this morning there was a debate in our class, why do we scroll? And many of them said, because of fear.
And I feel that's not necessarily true.
For some people it's fear.
For some people it's outrage.
For some people it is wanting more stuff.
Some people, they want to look at beautiful things, right? You never know, right? Why are they scrolling?
And so all of these ancient enemies of the soul have billion dollar algorithms behind it. And so each time you think they don't know you, they know you, right? And the fact that some company somewhere knows you and is totally exploiting you should be reason enough to stop, actually.
But if that's not reason enough to stop, then your brain, your gray matter is reducing. That should be reason enough to stop. If that's not reason enough stop, then your attention span is less than goldfish. That should be reason enough to stop.
And if that's not reason enough to stop, what are you not doing with your life?
Do you really want your life like this? Right. Because ultimately, at the end of the day, you feel empty.
[00:23:43] Speaker A: And the problem is that the empty feeling is that in order to deal with the empty feeling, there's always more scrolling to be had.
That's the problem.
[00:23:54] Speaker B: Yeah, People are so numb. Yeah, right. I was talking to someone the other day and I said, how are you feeling? And she said numb.
And. And you're okay with this numbness, right?
[00:24:07] Speaker A: It's normalized it takes a certain amount
[00:24:09] Speaker B: of time, things that you shouldn't be normalized is normalized.
[00:24:13] Speaker A: It takes a certain amount of days to, of not doing it to get back to normal again.
[00:24:20] Speaker B: 72 hours. Yeah, 72 hours of absolute no use.
[00:24:24] Speaker A: There's a, there's a certain. But that's the minimum. It takes roughly, roughly that amount of time for the brain to readjust.
But most people can't go more than a few minutes. So that's not.
So if you want to get out of this and there's more problems than this, in case anyone doesn't know this, there's actually a voodoo doll version of you that these companies have that they run all their programs against the voodoo doll to see how the voodoo do version of you responds to stuff. And then they, based on how that version of you responds, they then serve you up this, the ads and the various algorithm based content.
So they, this is some serious, serious stuff. I mean you've got to give them, give them a round of applause for mastery, right? I mean I, I think, I think like absolutely. Credits due or credits due. You know, mastery level manipulation takes a lot of work, A lot of people involved, loads of money.
[00:25:24] Speaker B: I'm wondering if he'll get killed for saying all these things.
[00:25:27] Speaker A: Well, I think, I don't think they care because everyone's totally addicted and there's no going back at this point. So they're like, whatever, you can say what you like, it's just not good.
[00:25:35] Speaker B: And we don't have that.
[00:25:37] Speaker A: Even if we did, they'd be like, whatever make any difference. Everyone is addicted.
[00:25:41] Speaker B: You know, I remember one time Oprah, right, she said something about not eating meat.
And the beef lobby sued her because she was Oprah. And if she said not eating, then everyone would not eat.
Since we are not Oprah's and we have a very few following, which is our blessing at this point.
[00:26:04] Speaker A: We're allowed to say this. Yeah. As far as we know.
[00:26:06] Speaker B: Totally used. You're used. You're being scrolled. You think you're scrolling, you're being scrolled. Okay, there are two things I want to talk about, right. Obviously I'm very passionate about this right now. Okay, There are two things I want to talk about.
One is urge surfing.
Many people don't even come to this point, right? But research has shown that 12 minutes is urges come in waves, right? It comes, it peaks and then it falls. But before even it peaks, we give in to the urge.
So when we say urge surfing and it lasts for 12 minutes when we Say urge surfing. You instead of giving into the urge. And many, many people don't come to this point, right? They don't like the discomfort it feels you feel with this urge surfing, you just surf the urge. Don't give in to the urge. Wait for 12 minutes. Put a timer if you need and you can tell yourself, I'll go back to doing it after 10 minutes if I still want to do it and see how you feel. The other thing which is very important is walk through the valley of discomfort.
That's in regards to the urge surfing. Walk through the valley of discomfort. It's okay, you're not going to die from the discomfort. Just walk through the valley of discomfort.
And then the second one I want to share is be bored.
Boredom is a very good thing for your brain and your attention.
Be bored.
Your life doesn't have to go on this high plane all the time. You know this, you know this scroll and that scroll. Because life on here is very exciting. Now that happens in sec, 6 seconds, 10 seconds, 50 second intervals.
Then your actual life might be boring, but be bored.
It's really good to be bored.
[00:28:17] Speaker A: It's actually not as boring as it sounds.
[00:28:19] Speaker B: Good for you to be bored.
[00:28:22] Speaker A: That's when you actually allow yourself to be bored. You think, oh, actually this could, you know, it's. It's a fascinating feeling when you just sit there and handle it, getting out of this whole thing. First of all, you have to want it. I think the, the pride, that pride normally is a vice, to be perfectly honest. Right. But it has a positive side to it where it's more like self respect, where, where I say, I don't want to be played by these big companies. You know, like when you understand that they are actually sitting in boardrooms. This is not conspiracy theory, right? It sounds like it's conspiracy. There are these companies and they're sitting in a boardroom trying to figure out how to get you addicted to their stuff like this. It's actually a real thing. They're actual people and they're sitting there, they were with a whiteboard and they're saying, right, how can we get people the best psycholog?
[00:29:21] Speaker B: That's what they do these days.
[00:29:23] Speaker A: They've done all the degrees in psychology and, you know, habit design and all this stuff.
There's books about this. I've actually read the, the books that they use. One of them is called Hooked and. No, it's called. Is it called Hooked?
I have some of them in the garage. Right. Some of these extra. And they actually show you here's exactly how you get people addicted to a habit, right? And then they, they apply this to the various apps.
Social media, of course, is the biggest ones, but they use it for everything.
So there are people there, they're thinking, they call it engagement. How can we get more engagement? That's the word they use, which in other words means how do we get people addicted so they spend longer using the thing.
And so there's you with your limited potential of, of managing your own emotions, and then there's these billion dollar companies who's got the upper hand, right? They have by enormous amount, right. And not only that, we've already been infected by this virus for a very long time. So it's not as if like we're starting from zero. We're already, we're starting from an addictive place in the beginning.
So when you think, hang on a minute, these people are trying to ruin my life in order for me to spend my time doing this thing. It's good motivation. If that isn't motivation enough, then, then saving your brain, if that's not going to do it for you, then I don't know what is. But you've got to have some reason to, to be motivated, otherwise you're not going to do anything about it.
And then it's important to actually think of other things that are better to do with your time than scroll. Because if you haven't got an alternative, then what are you going to do? Because what will happen practically is you'll be sitting there going, all right, I'm sitting here wanting to check my phone or watch something and I don't know what else to do right now.
So all, so it feels like subjectively you're just denying yourself something that you like. That's what it feels like in the moment. All I'm doing is denying something that I want to do.
We need something better to do that is satisfying for us that we start doing instead. Otherwise we're just. Because there's no point just sitting around going, I'm craving, checking some social media thing and I'm feeling bad about that. That's not a very good life, right? To be sitting around craving all the time, what do you want to be doing instead? And if you don't know what that is, then getting off social media will help you figure out what it is actually.
But just write down the things that you used to do and you can maybe say, think to yourself, well, what if I didn't have a phone? Just imagine, hypothetically, you didn't have a Phone, you didn't have the Internet at all.
Imagine you went to some other place where there's no cell phone, no nothing, but you had all these other things you could do. What would, would you like to do?
You know, maybe. Maybe you like to play an instrument or read a book or, you know, spend time with people or go for a walk. What, what are they?
Because we have to replace the thing that we're doing that's bad for us with something else. You can't have a void, you can't have a black hole.
So what are all these other things?
Because if you don't know what it is, it's going to be really, really, really difficult to give this stuff up. So think about what it. What is it that you want to swap it out with, Otherwise you can't do it. I personally like to go on walks. I like to play the piano, I like to talk to people and I like to do work and I like to play the instruments.
Cooking, Cooking decent food is better than scrolling.
Cleaning the house or tidying up is fun, you know, read, you know, that's enough for me to be quite satisfied for a long time, actually. Just those things there.
Meditation doesn't feel like it replaces media because I do meditation for a different purpose. But so I have to. Because, like, meditation isn't an immediate swap for me because I'm used to having dopamine kick, so I try and match it with something that is somewhat similar but better, you know, so, yeah, this is. We've talked about this probably more than any other. No, no, we've talked about other topics more, but we just keep going back to this because it's such a serious problem.
And I feel if, if all we. If every time we feel stressed out, we immediately go for our phone and entertainment, how can we do any personal work on ourselves, really and truly?
[00:34:21] Speaker B: Not only that, right? If we keep masking what needs to come out, if we keep masking it with cell phone use, where are we, right? This is not what we want from life. We need to know what's going on inside. We can't just keep using the phone as a pacifier, like what is actually happening so I can heal properly.
[00:34:49] Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah. If we spend our whole time avoiding the situation, we'll never get to the bottom of it.
So, yeah, this is a lot of people. This is a new idea and a scary idea, but at least now you're a bit better educated about it. And it can be done. Just so you know, can be done. It's not. It's easier said than done.
[00:35:14] Speaker B: It's not, you know, what was it you said? It's not what you need.
It's not what you think.
[00:35:21] Speaker A: Yeah. This is. This isn't for people.
It's not for people who. Who want it or people who need it. It's people who do it.
You know, it's like you have to decide I've had enough.
And. And I want to tell everyone from my personal experience, after three days, you feel like you're living on a different reality, that it's just like I haven't felt so good in years. That's my personal experience, you know.
So you actually don't know.
[00:35:49] Speaker B: Right. Or so empty and so numb. Right. Like most people are just walking around empty and numb. Like there is other modes.
[00:35:59] Speaker A: Yeah. There's a huge amount of joy and higher states and like more colors and more wonder of life. On three days from today, if you do this, really and truly.
Yay.
[00:36:16] Speaker B: All right, I'll pick a random blessing.
Encouragement.
This is God's blessing for you. So you get off your phone encouragement.
You've beautiful.
You have beautifully embraced the journey of self love and acceptance.
Your joy for the success of others glows from within and you cheer on their victories as if they were your own.
You embrace others by igniting courage and offering support.
[00:37:00] Speaker A: Yeah. So if you do it with somebody else and you encourage them, then you're more likely do it for yourself.
Congratulations in advance and let us know what you think about this. Are you a yourself a media addict or are you not? And what are you going to do about it?
Lots of love and many blessings.
